One day, back in the 1970's, when many Filipinos began to migrate into the United States there were two American employers speaking to each other:
Employer 1: Hey buddy! How are ya? What’s up with your people?
Employer 2: Well, They’ve been working hard it’s only that they make a lot of raucous sound when they speak to each other and they don’t understand what I’m trying to say like their common sense is screwed up or something...
Employer 1: Yes my friend downtown who had a few of these guys was sayin' the same thing.
Employer 2: Saying what?
Employer 1: Well, saying that they do make a lot of noise and talk funny when and while they work…it was weird..it just ain't the language barrier alone…
Employer 2: Yeah! I know what you mean so what’s their language called?…
Employer 1: They call it Tagalog. But I know how that sounds like and they don’t seem to just use just that..
Employer 2: Yes, I guess it depends on where they come from..but it’s like they behave differently…
Employer 1: Yeah, like monkeys sometimes....hahaha!!...
Employer 2: Hehe..Well how do you say that in Tagalog?
Employer 1: I think they call it ‘ung-goy’..
Employer 2: What?! ung…ung-goy?!!!
Employer 1: Yeah… like, ung-goy.
Employer 2: So like…”Pi-noy”??!!
Employer 1: Hahaha..that’s a good one!! “PI-NOYS”!!!Hahahaha!!!
Employer 2: Hehe..ok call 'em “Pinoys” now before they forget to eat their lunch..he he...
And so it goes and now we adopt it as a norm without knowing where this idiom or street slang even ever came about. Hey, Bro..wake up and smell the coffee!! It was born in L.A.!! Imagine what it means!! It means Pilipinong ungoy! And you will say or sing: Pinoy, Pinoy ako..ibang iba ang Pinoy…and so the song goes. I wonder what those two guys back in the 70’s would be laughing at right now…The problem with us is that it’s always ‘ok’ with us because we choose it to be so then when we are made aware of it, it becomes easy to blametoss it to the concept of colonialism. But who in the first place is entertaining it??!! Now, ’think!’, where did the word ‘flips’ come from or how it was invented…wanna adopt that too? It came from L.A. These words didn’t even come from here!! Not that I have something against the Americans or the other nations. In the first place, it’s not their fault that we do not properly identify or respect our nationality. Will Rizal stand up for this or Bonifacio?? SO DO NOT USE IT!! BOYCOTT THE WORD ‘PINOY’!!
Employer 1: Hey buddy! How are ya? What’s up with your people?
Employer 2: Well, They’ve been working hard it’s only that they make a lot of raucous sound when they speak to each other and they don’t understand what I’m trying to say like their common sense is screwed up or something...
Employer 1: Yes my friend downtown who had a few of these guys was sayin' the same thing.
Employer 2: Saying what?
Employer 1: Well, saying that they do make a lot of noise and talk funny when and while they work…it was weird..it just ain't the language barrier alone…
Employer 2: Yeah! I know what you mean so what’s their language called?…
Employer 1: They call it Tagalog. But I know how that sounds like and they don’t seem to just use just that..
Employer 2: Yes, I guess it depends on where they come from..but it’s like they behave differently…
Employer 1: Yeah, like monkeys sometimes....hahaha!!...
Employer 2: Hehe..Well how do you say that in Tagalog?
Employer 1: I think they call it ‘ung-goy’..
Employer 2: What?! ung…ung-goy?!!!
Employer 1: Yeah… like, ung-goy.
Employer 2: So like…”Pi-noy”??!!
Employer 1: Hahaha..that’s a good one!! “PI-NOYS”!!!Hahahaha!!!
Employer 2: Hehe..ok call 'em “Pinoys” now before they forget to eat their lunch..he he...
And so it goes and now we adopt it as a norm without knowing where this idiom or street slang even ever came about. Hey, Bro..wake up and smell the coffee!! It was born in L.A.!! Imagine what it means!! It means Pilipinong ungoy! And you will say or sing: Pinoy, Pinoy ako..ibang iba ang Pinoy…and so the song goes. I wonder what those two guys back in the 70’s would be laughing at right now…The problem with us is that it’s always ‘ok’ with us because we choose it to be so then when we are made aware of it, it becomes easy to blametoss it to the concept of colonialism. But who in the first place is entertaining it??!! Now, ’think!’, where did the word ‘flips’ come from or how it was invented…wanna adopt that too? It came from L.A. These words didn’t even come from here!! Not that I have something against the Americans or the other nations. In the first place, it’s not their fault that we do not properly identify or respect our nationality. Will Rizal stand up for this or Bonifacio?? SO DO NOT USE IT!! BOYCOTT THE WORD ‘PINOY’!!
It’s like calling the black people “Niggers.” And what would a black man do if you would call him that…think.
43 comments:
Tsk, tsk... ‘time to spread the word around now...
Bakit? Pinoy ka ba? Ah eh, Flip? Filipino pala...
Pugi, este, pogi ka pa naman.
Anywey, keep on writing, friend!
Dear Michele,
Yes, I'm filipino at maganda ka rin. You have a pretty pic. I'll be looking forward to writing and seeing you write too.
G
anyway just read it here few days ago..
http://web.sa.sc.edu/fasa/filam.htm
-Fact for October 19-
Where did the term Pinoy originate?
It is believed that the term Pinoy originated from the early Filipinos who came to the United States. The Manongs (uncles)
as the "oldtimers" were also known to call themselves Pinoys to distinguish themselves from Filipinos living in the
Philippines. (Contributed partly by Dawn Bohulano Mabalon whose family has been using the term Pinoy/Pinay since the
1920's.)
Well, Mr. Anonymous
The term "Pinoy" really is just a slang. Just like Yosi=sigarilyo=yosigaril, Erpat=Father, etc, etc. A play on words, if you will. So, don't take everything seriously. In fact, did you know that Agapito Flores did not really invent the flourescent light bulb? It's a fallacy that became true because of repetition.
The term 'pinoy' did originate in the united states. Here we all agree. What is being verified is it's significance being "pilipinong unggoy". If it was used since the 20's it could have been used out of ignorance. And ignorance to it's significance is of no excuse whether it was used by a family since the 20's. Research of this encounter between the american employers (who apparently initiated the resurgence of the term) were done by writers of hispanofilipino@yahoo.com. A forum on the national identity and filhispanic cultural preservation of the Filipino. The particular writer is 'Chris S."(Last name withheld as he is an american citizen)a filipino himself in the americas.
With this I pity the family of Mr Bohulano...
It is true that the word “Pinoy’ had not just come about recently according to a certain anonymous writer that commented on the blog referring to the said topic. But that it had surfaced way before back into the 1900’s even when the American empire was still flexing it’s muscles here in the Philippines (They are still invisibly flexing it now only they do not want to acknowledge it as a colony that it really is since it was deemed unworthy only ‘strategic’).
A token note to this matter would be how the Americans then started singing convertibly and mockingly a famous filhispanic song entitled: “No te vayas a Zamboanga” meaning: ‘Do not go to Zamboanga’ into their own version of “Monkeys/Pinoys have no tails in Zamboanga”.
The chorus of the song was its title and it was sung repetitively with many versions turned over since the 1800’s by Filipinos and Spaniards way up until it was converted by the racist Americans in the 19th century with there use of the term “Pinoy” coming in from their mainland, signifying also, in their terms, the Filipinos being “monkeys.”
Hence, the Bohulano family using it in the 20’s is explained (but ignorantly for that matter). The term “Pinoy’ and the song earmarked so much racism and bigotry issues in Zamboanga that the Zamboanguenos retaliated with a new ending chorus for the song sung in this fashion: “Pinoys have no tails in Zamboanga for their tails are in front..”
This of course was sung with spite until the .45 Caliber was invented to enter Zamboanga and the southern provinces, they had difficulty entering into. Thus, wiping out 1/6th of our population eventually that time and so on and so forth… With respect to such instances in our history which are not at all mentioned in history classes in the Philippines (I Wonder why? hehe..but I know why!), we should not even bear the thought of calling our family members the least as “monkeys”!
So again, seriously, boycott the use of the word “Pinoy”! Let’s have some self-respect. We were vassals of King Felipe, hence the word ‘Felipine’, evolving into “Filipino’, meaning “Subjects of Phillip”. This was so for Filipinos were occupants of a ‘colony’ of Spain and considered subjects of a KING!- recognized by the Pope that time.
Romulo and Quezon asked us to be a ‘colony,’ at the very least, but it was rejected by the United States. Spain never did reject us nor did it ever call us ‘monkeys.’ Hence “Filipino” is the term we should once again learn to use in honoring our land, our heroes, and ourselves.
Not an insult such as “Pinoy” being justified as a term supposedly to identify the Filipinos living in the United States and abroad. And who gave such and such a justification when the term 'Filipino' could be used?
Mabuhay si Gimo!!!
teka, teka
pero pano yung KASTILALOY
"KASTILALOY"
- Originated by a man from CEBU in the late 80's
DOES IT MEAN:
Kastilang Ungoy? - di naman siguro
Kastilang Buloloy? - este si Alfie pala yon - JR.
Kastilang Boy? - baduy
OR balistag lang na Yo! Kastila.
meaning Wazzup! Spangol.
Anyways, ano pa man yung meaning nyan - It Does'nt matter. What's important is "You" make a name for yourself.
Welcome back Gimo Baby!
All the best to you and your family
T-MAC
Thank you T-mac whoever you are but please do not downplay the issue with my Spanish lineage or my Filipino one most importantly.
Well, this is "Chris S." from Hispanofilipino. I do not recall confirming the Pinoy-Unggoy connection that Guillermo Gómez y Rivera is a ardent proponent of. I, of course, find this ridiculous.
As a matter of fact, I was trying to find info on this, and came up with your site. But your name is Guillermo Gómez y Ordóñez, so you are GGR's son. I am unable to find any information on this outside of the Gómez family.
In any case, your father presents no evidence for this term in this context. On the other hand, there is evidence for this term from Carlos Bulosan's 1946 America is in the Heart. But there is even evidence from the 1930 Manila-based publication Khaki and Red who spoke of street gangs who would "Protect Pinoys from abusive American soldados." The oldest reference I have is the 1924 US-based Philippine Review where Dr. Jullano talks about loneliness among "Pinoy" students in the United States and how they are mistakenly perceived as Chinese and Japanese by Americans.
If either you or your father has evidence that predates 1924 in the context that you guys are asserting, then please, bring it on.
On the other hand, there is evidence that the Americans did call Filipinos by other names like "little brown brother" and "nigger." And plus there is the song "the monkeys have no tails in Zamboanga" which was in a John Wayne movie. But there is no evidence between the Pinoy-Unggoy connection. Naghahanap pa ako.
Let's say - just hypothetically - that what your dad says is true .. so what? Here in the States, minorities have taken these terms and "defanged" them - using them as words of pride. Some blacks do that with "nigger" and gays do that with "queer."
--Chris
Why do you use "y" in your surname? I mentioned it to two friends of mine and they found that to be very archaic and said no one uses that anymore. My friend from Barcelona said the same thing, that no one uses it in Spain.
Blake
Why are you defending the word Pinoy so much? This I wonder?.. I refuse to use it to call my countrymen and that's my choice. If you want to dispute it what else could it mean? It is already irrelevant which time frame it has evolved from as i have previously stated since the over-riding fact is that it means "pilipinong unggoy" and why should we compare it to the slangs of the U.S. when america obviously does not mind demeaning itself? To top it off All your sources are "Americanized" already. Look for the truth on the other side of the street not on the side your comfortable on.
To Blake:
What does it matter to you if i use 'y' in my name? I want to denote emphasis on my mother's maiden name which i am equally proud of. Should I follow what the Spaniards do? Does it bother you? There are only 60 million spaniards as opposed to 385 million latinos and mestizos who choose to use it once in a while.
To Chris S,
And i forgot to tell you. My Father is already a source in itself. He is a known Filipino historian and illongo poet with his name posted in the official spanish dictionary. Isn't he a source enough? Being illongo and a filipino he never heard the word pinoy till after martial law. Let's wait for this to hit the books as well. Then maybe you will have the 'genuine' source you are looking for since all your sources are already bastardized by "Americanizations".Isn't it you yourself who said it too that the word 'pinoy' started in the U.S. My dad has saved all his e-mail since 1996.
Why are you defending the word Pinoy so much?
I am defending Pinoy because it is a perfectly good word that is being unnecessarily demonized for whatever God-known reason by people who don't have the conclusive proof that it is what they say it is.
If people don't like the word, then that is fine. Don't use it. But to spread lies and then insult Filipinos for using this word? I think that's crossing the line. This is something that should be stopped, and I am using evidence as a tool.
If you want to dispute it what else could it mean?
Pinoy is simply a colloquial term for Filipinos.
This is mirrored in other cultures. For example, the Puerto Ricans call themselves Boricuas. The Costa Ricans call themselves Ticos. El Salvadorans call themselves Guanacos. Nicaraguans call themselves Nicas. Samoans call themselves Hamos. New Zealanders call themselves Kiwi, etc.
Now, just because it does not mean one thing, does not automatically confirm the other. The burden of proof still rests on your father and all he provides as evidence is that it SOUNDS LIKE Unggoy. Well, Pinoy sounds like APOY, how does he know it's not that?
It is already irrelevant which time frame it has evolved from
You made the time-frame relevant. You said the 1970's, I say nonsense and gave you a source from 1926.
as i have previously stated since the over-riding fact is that it means "pilipinong unggoy"
WHAT overriding facts? Where are they? All I see is a concocted dialogue between two fictional American employers.
To top it off All your sources are "Americanized" already.
Again, proof? Saying that something is Americanized is not proof alone.
And i forgot to tell you. My Father is already a source in itself. He is a known Filipino historian and illongo poet with his name posted in the official spanish dictionary. Isn't he a source enough?
No, he's not. This is a another logical fallacy of yours which is called "appeal to authority."
What does your father's credentials have to do with anything? You do not see me in this argument parading the fact that my name is in a Tagalog dictionary (if you look under "pogi" there is a photo of me - kidding. hehe) and that I wrote a book on Tausug grammar. Why? Because they have nothing to do with the argument.
A person's prestige has no bearing on the veracity of an argument. Do you know the philosopher Aristotle? For two thousand years many of his assertions were accepted without argument. Some of these have to do with gravity and the realm of physics. People were simply afraid of being ostracized by questioning him. But people like Isaac Newton weren't deterred - it was his experiments that meant more than Aristotle's prestige.
Now, if your father was in Los Angeles in the 1970's and actually witnessed these two American employers and got them on camera, then that's proof right there. But that did not happen. Your father says that he has never been to America and has no intention of doing so.
That's why proof is important. If your father has proof, then bring it on. But so far, it's not in his favor since there is empirical evidence confirming the opposite and he has provided no record of Americans using the term offensively before 1926.
Being illongo and a filipino he never heard the word pinoy till after martial law.
That's because Pinoy did not gain popularity until that time. You can thank songs like Tayo'y mga Pinoy and Ako'y Isang Pinoy for that.
are already bastardized by "Americanizations".
Again, this doesn't confirm or deny anything.
Isn't it you yourself who said it too that the word 'pinoy' started in the U.S. My dad has saved all his e-mail since 1996.
Yes, that's right. But it was the FILIPINOS in America and not the whiteman who coined the word Pinoy. There is a big difference there. There is ample evidence of ethnic slurs used by Americans. There is even evidenced that they called Filipinos niggers and little brown brothers. But not for Pinoy. Bakit kaya? It's because there is none!
--Chris
To Chris,
Why are you defending the word Pinoy so much?
"I am defending Pinoy because it is a perfectly good word"
--How can nigger be perfectly good or any slang for that matter?This is the first time i here this?!
"...that is being unnecessarily demonized for whatever God-known reason by people who don't have the conclusive proof that it is what they say it is."
--The demonization was upon conseption of this word which is being defended by demons themselves. And There is conclusive proof now from an authority named Guillermo R. Gomez.
"If people don't like the word, then that is fine. Don't use it. But to spread lies and then insult Filipinos for using this word? I think that's crossing the line. This is something that should be stopped, and I am using evidence as a tool."
--People who are ignorant like you believe in lies. And alleviating ignorance is not insulting.What kind of evidence have you presented? Yankee evidence? What is really insulting is adding to the ignorance with bastardizations which you cannot defend since you know deep inside they are american and not even Filipino.
"If you want to dispute it what else could it mean?"
--There is no dispute. You are the only one disputing the insult with your still forgiveable denial. Forgiveable because it is out of ignorance.
"Pinoy is simply a colloquial term for Filipinos."
--And who now is the authority saying this? You?... We will have to talk about this with the department of education to put this in the new Filipino dictionary.
"..This is mirrored in other cultures. For example, the Puerto Ricans call themselves Boricuas. The Costa Ricans call themselves Ticos. El Salvadorans call themselves Guanacos. Nicaraguans call themselves Nicas. Samoans call themselves Hamos. New Zealanders call themselves Kiwi, etc.
--And i thought we were to go on facts? Haha. Now we will have to find out if any at least resemble calling themselves monkeys...
"Now, just because it does not mean one thing, does not automatically confirm the other. The burden of proof still rests on your father and all he provides as evidence is that it SOUNDS LIKE Unggoy. Well, Pinoy sounds like APOY, how does he know it's not that?"
--He probably knows it's not that because it came from the states remember? Will another race call us fire? It also sounds like "Hoy" or "boy" if we were to go on "Sounds like" Do you see my father talking to you here boy? It's me your dealing with. I didn't even say it sounds like I'm really declaring it as "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" because i have friends in the states that say so aside from my dad and my mom's family living there.
"..It is already irrelevant which time frame it has evolved from
You made the time-frame relevant. You said the 1970's, I say nonsense and gave you a source from 1926."
---The time frame was to denote how long it has been around without the majority knowing it asan insult.You did not give the source of 1926 my friend it was an anonymous writer back in Jan 26 that gave this americanized site for your ignorance's information:
http://web.sa.sc.edu/fasa/filam.htm
"as i have previously stated since the over-riding fact is that it means "pilipinong unggoy"
WHAT overriding facts? Where are they? All I see is a concocted dialogue between two fictional American employers."
---An example that has appeared without revelation to the Yankee corporation which has provided the info unknowingly in the form of UPS (United Parcel Service).
To top it off All your sources are "Americanized" already.
"Again, proof? Saying that something is Americanized is not proof alone."
--I'm sorry, anthing americanized from your carlos Bulosan, Dr. Jullano,etc etc doesn't strike me as Filipino or objective. Why don't you qoute anything like Mabini spitting on your american flag in 1898 and Fidel castro saying:"My country's history was written by yankees, Now we will begin to write our own history finally" Probably if you read the american intervention in the educational system back in 1901 in the national archives you will see why Pinoy is now such an insult to our countrymen and wonder why you now have become the 'demon' defending it so
And i forgot to tell you. My Father is already a source in itself. He is a known Filipino historian and illongo poet with his name posted in the official spanish dictionary. Isn't he a source enough?
No, he's not. This is a another logical fallacy of yours which is called "appeal to authority."
--Sorry again as you are now the deemed Pharisee. Not that he is my father but i cannot deny Senator Edgardo angara and Richard Gordon asking my father to speak on Philippine centennials in front of the Aguinaldo mansion in cavite?...
"What does your father's credentials have to do with anything?"
If he says so it is so at this point bro. If Zaide told you lapu lapu was Filipino you'd believe it. I'm sorry for your ignorance once again? Hide with your american books further if you want..
"You do not see me in this argument parading the fact that my name is in a Tagalog dictionary (if you look under "pogi" there is a photo of me - kidding. hehe) and that I wrote a book on Tausug grammar. Why? Because they have nothing to do with the argument."
--It has everything to do with it because if not you wouldnt be downplaying it already as you are fervently disputing it. Hello! Kain ka pa nang bigas bata.
"A person's prestige has no bearing on the veracity of an argument. Do you know the philosopher Aristotle? For two thousand years many of his assertions were accepted without argument. Some of these have to do with gravity and the realm of physics. People were simply afraid of being ostracized by questioning him. But people like Isaac Newton weren't deterred - it was his experiments that meant more than Aristotle's prestige.
--So i guess your newton in this case well you'll have to, just as i said, eat some more.
"..Now, if your father was in Los Angeles in the 1970's and actually witnessed these two American employers and got them on camera, then that's proof right there. But that did not happen. Your father says that he has never been to America and has no intention of doing so."
Exactly because he does not need to just to know what is the truth.The living proof is you already.
"..That's why proof is important. If your father has proof, then bring it on. But so far, it's not in his favor since there is empirical evidence confirming the opposite and he has provided no record of Americans using the term offensively before 1926."
--Ho hum.. He doesn't need any. I believe him and so do my friends and your sitting in my blog.
Being illongo and a filipino he never heard the word pinoy till after martial law.
That's because Pinoy did not gain popularity until that time. You can thank songs like Tayo'y mga Pinoy and Ako'y Isang Pinoy for that.
are already bastardized by "Americanizations".
Again, this doesn't confirm or deny anything.
It confirms Che Guevarra in 1967 bro..
Isn't it you yourself who said it too that the word 'pinoy' started in the U.S. My dad has saved all his e-mail since 1996.
"..Yes, that's right. But it was the FILIPINOS in America and not the whiteman who coined the word Pinoy. There is a big difference there. "
---No difference if born of the same White Anglo Saxon Protestant education. Your racist by saying that.
"...There is ample evidence of ethnic slurs used by Americans."
--"Slurs?" Slurs are incognitive and audibly indigestible.Waht are you talking about? And your the authority i suppose? Look out world here I come!
"There is even evidenced that they called Filipinos niggers and little brown brothers."
--Cat Caught by it's tongue here!
"...But not for Pinoy. Bakit kaya? It's because there is none!"
--Oh and i guess thats you talking again or a mouse in that great big yankee jungle of yours.
Goodnight!
Yours truly Gyzmo.
I hope this ends it all: I'd rather be called a Filipino, than a mere 'Pinoy' because I Am a Filipino, and I am not a Pinoy. It's a distinction. I'm sorry for the guys who challenge Gyzmo (not that he's a real good friend of mine and a fellow blogger here in Eche...blah...blah), because when we want to pride ourselves with our illustrious history of Jose Rizal, Apolinario Mabini, Epifanio Delos Santos (Epiphany of the saints) or EDSA as history recognzes it better, why challenge Gyzmo who obviously simply wants to say that we are better than the others. It is great being a "Filipino." To act or utter that it is mundane we search for the real essence of nationalism in which Gyzmo would want to propagate is suicide. We need to reflect on who we really are. This is why I choose to believe in Gyzmo, and this is why I choose to believe that being a Filipino means being a cut above the rest, never mind we are always criticized by foreign peoples as denigrated gascons and yahoos. We are actually "cool" people, and just because we belong to a third world country doesn't mean we're nuts. George Bush is actually the one who is crazy. I guess, well, yeah, my piece here is also in defence of Gyzmo, who is a great guy if you only get to know him. Gyzmo, congratulations for what you have done to yourself.
I am a Filipino. All us Filipinos should defend our name and not be tempted in silly monickers like Pinoy, which is even a cause of confusion since we don't know its origins, although the closest would probably be Gyzmo's. And if by chance it was (the 'Pinoy' term) really just a slang, then let's go on with our lives and not comment further which really only amplifies our "crab mentality" UGALI, since no one has really offered or shown any proof besides certain opinions I think borders on the side of gobbledygook reasons.
I wish everyone all the luck in life. We are Filipinos.
"Pi-Noy" is an american filipino invention arising from Taglish.It represents a bastardization. It is the revelation of an american educational system imposed in an effort to confound and confuse the Filipino. It's objective is to produce "Pilipinong Unggoys"! Read Constantino! Read the ignorant Agoncillo. Who says in page 6 of his book "THe history of the Filipino People" THAT WE HAVE NO IDENTITY! Do not rely on the internet for support to an american english bastardization as the internet was invented by the U.S. Military for it's communications network and handed down to civilians only recently. Resort to books. Here we find the truth of the 'PI-NOY'-Pilipinong Unggoy! Up until this day this ignorance of the origins of the deemed "Pilipinong Unggoy-PINOY ideology" is still upheld by ignorant people who have been successfully brainwashed by the aforementioned imposition more than 100 years ago. This is a very sad tragedy. We have intelligent people sitting pretty abroad defending even the use of such an ugly and insulting word in favor of what is comfortable and supposedley "the norm" and enforcing it all over again.Here we have a Channel 2 showing idiocies of an ignorant race whom it's heroes have time and again warned of such an enslavery! The worst kind of (mental, racial,characteristical)enslavery at that which attacks and questions--IDENTITY--enough to destroy and produce what you see now!All we do is blame any president that sits there because we just look at him or her as just a "PI-NOY" How can there be a nation now? So BOYCOTT THE WORD "PI-NOY". It means PILIPINONG UNGGOY! And nothing else even if we look for all the alternative justifications(all roads will lead back to the proverbial monkey on the island providing a banana republic which has got to stop). Go back to "FILIPINO" The Filipino is made up of proper names like "Jose", "Apolinario", "Juan", not "joe", or "Pin-oy", or "Hoy".Now if we were made a state by the United States back then I would be singing probably a different tune....But we were not! So let's be Filipinos.
De tal palo, tal astilla. O como decimos en inglés "Like father, like son."
I think it's pretty clear now that you debate like your father; formulating logically fallacious arguments with a hearty dose of false assumptions and ad hominem arguments! All too familiar indeed! :-)
--How can nigger be perfectly good or any slang for that matter?This is the first time i here this?!
Your question is based upon the assumption that I consider nigger and Filipino to be equivalent. There are records - very Americanized ones, if I may add - of whites calling blacks niggers. It is used with hate and malice.
When or where have White Americans used Pinoy the same way they use Pinoy? I have lived in America for 21 of my almost 26 years (close to 5 of which were in the Philippines), and I have never heard Pinoy used by Americans this way. I have even asked elderly Filipinos who have been in America for a long time, and neither have they heard it such. So please, spare me the inappropriate analogy.
--People who are ignorant like you believe in lies. And alleviating ignorance is not insulting.What kind of evidence have you presented? Yankee evidence?
How do you know that what I believe in is a lie?
And what evidence does your father have? I've been asking him for a long time, and he hasn't coughed up any.
Gyzmo, I'm an open-minded person and I am also a skeptical one. It takes evidence to convince me - this is something I had to learn in my science classes and in life in general; to not blindly believe in authority and to question whatever they say.
--There is no dispute. You are the only one disputing the insult with your still forgiveable denial. Forgiveable because it is out of ignorance.
Thanks, but I don't need forgiveness. There is no ignorance here, pal.
--And who now is the authority saying this? You?... We will have to talk about this with the department of education to put this in the new Filipino dictionary.
I am not the authority on this, I am simply unearthing long-forgotten evidence.
And if COMFIL has any academic integrity, they'd demand any evidence from your father.
--And i thought we were to go on facts? Haha. Now we will have to find out if any at least resemble calling themselves monkeys...
The fact is that there are people who call themselves a nickname. As for the animals, I invite you to take a look at the El Salvadorans - they call themselves Guanacos which happens to be the name of an animal related to the llama and the alpaca. And I said that NEw Zealanders call themselves Kiwis. You do know what Kiwis are?
UNGGOY" because i have friends in the states that say so aside from my dad and my mom's family living there.
What's their e-mail addresses? I want to know their evidence.
---The time frame was to denote how long it has been around without the majority knowing it asan insult.You did not give the source of 1926 my friend it was an anonymous writer back in Jan 26 that gave this americanized site for your ignorance's information:
http://web.sa.sc.edu/fasa/filam.htm
The source I gave was mentioned in my blog entry: http://salitablog.blogspot.com/2006/03/much-ado-about-pinoy.html
I am familiar with the source you give, that it had started in the 1920's. I confirmed it with articles I have from that time period. Now, I do not have articles confirming that Pinoy was used in such a way.
To top it off All your sources are "Americanized" already.
Spare me the Americanized bullshit already. That is not enough to end an argument and neither does it confirm yours.
Answer me this - why do "Americanized" sources make reference to brown niggers and stuff but not Pinoy?
Mabini spitting on your american flag in 1898 and Fidel castro saying:
Hell, why don't you quote Mabini talking about the origin of Pinoy?
--Sorry again as you are now the deemed Pharisee. Not that he is my father but i cannot deny Senator Edgardo angara and Richard Gordon asking my father to speak on Philippine centennials in front of the Aguinaldo mansion in cavite?...
And you father won the Premio Zobel. So freakin' what? Your father may have admirable credentials, but again, what does this have to do with anything? If your father makes up a story are we expected to take it for gospel? Of course not.
If he says so it is so at this point bro. If Zaide told you lapu lapu was Filipino you'd believe it. I'm sorry for your ignorance once again? Hide with your american books further if you want..
I have since learned to question Zaide et. al.'s evidence. Hence, I do not believe the silly little myth that Filipinos come from the Malay Race or the 10 Borneo Datus or whatever. As far as I am concerned, it is not clear if it was Lapu-Lapu himself who killed Magellan.
--It has everything to do with it because if not you wouldnt be downplaying it already as you are fervently disputing it. Hello! Kain ka pa nang bigas bata.
Please don't be silly, you are pushing your father's credentials down my throat because you lack evidence.
--Ho hum.. He doesn't need any. I believe him and so do my friends and your sitting in my blog.
Right. That's your prerogative.
--"Slurs?" Slurs are incognitive and audibly indigestible.Waht are you talking about? And your the authority i suppose? Look out world here I come!
And you are calling me ignorant? Look up the word "slur" in your dictionary.
--Cat Caught by it's tongue here!
How so? I was not hiding this fact.
--Chris
I hope this ends it all: I'd rather be called a Filipino, than a mere 'Pinoy' because I Am a Filipino, and I am not a Pinoy.
That's fine with me. I am first and foremost a Filipino and an American. Pinoy is simply a nickname that we use among ourselves affectionately. I'm sure you know that.
Let's assume for a moment that what the Gomez family says is true. So what? Words have multiple meanings and language changes. Obviously, language changed to a point where the term is now without harm - again, if it is true.
George Bush is actually the one who is crazy.
I have to agree with you there.
I am a Filipino. All us Filipinos should defend our name and not be tempted in silly monickers like Pinoy,
The current origins surrounding the word Pinoy fits the way Filipinos nickname themselves. Look among your relatives. There are Sionings, Nandings, Pepings, Juanings, Tonyangs, Enciangs, Tinays, Totoys, Kaloys, Pepoys, Ninoys, etc. It is a Filipino phenomenom to use nicknames. This is why it is so hard to believe, especially in light of a lack of evidence, to believe the Gomezes.
--Chris
It's objective is to produce "Pilipinong Unggoys"!
I think you are giving Americans too much credit. I don't think they have enough knowledge about Philippine culture to coin a word such as that.
Resort to books.
The sources I gave you were from books published in the 1920's and 1930's. Also Carlos Bulosan's work was made in 1946.
Go back to "FILIPINO" The Filipino is made up of proper names like "Jose", "Apolinario", "Juan", not "joe", or "Pin-oy", or "Hoy".
Read what I wrote to Karl Betita - about Filipino nicknames. This is distinctly Filipino.
And since you are so dazzled by authority, I refer to you an authority named Dr. Fernando Nakpil Zialcita. He is a well-respected professor of anthropology at Ateneo University - he is also a member of Hispanofilipino, so your father knows him. His family is Spanish-speaking. And he has confirmed that Pinoy is an affectionate term. Happy now?
--Chris
Wala 'bang katapusan 'to? Basta ako ay isang Malay sa isla ng Sugbu. Hindi ko alam yang Filipino o Pinoy na yan. Malamang dala lang lahat 'yan ng dayuhang hilaw. Ang mahalaga ay sa puso't diwa ay alam ninyo kung sino kayo at saan kayo nang-galing.
De tal palo, tal astilla. O como decimos en inglés "Like father, like son."
I think it's pretty clear now that you debate like your father; formulating logically fallacious arguments with a hearty dose of false assumptions and ad hominem arguments! All too familiar indeed! :-)
[[That’s your subjective comment which only manifests you are incapable of objectivity. You sound like the perfect WASP brainwashed “Pinoy”.]]
--How can nigger be perfectly good or any slang for that matter?This is the first time i here this?!
Your question is based upon the assumption that I consider nigger and Filipino to be equivalent. There are records - very Americanized ones, if I may add - of whites calling blacks niggers. It is used with hate and malice.
[[Hate and Malice is much better than decietful labeling. At least the term ‘niggers’ is frank. The ‘Pinoy’ term is decietful but at least since your trying to justify it with every tooth and nail the ugly truth has manifested that it means “Pilipinong Unggoy”]]
When or where have White Americans used Pinoy the same way they use Pinoy? I have lived in America for 21 of my almost 26 years (close to 5 of which were in the Philippines), and I have never heard Pinoy used by Americans this way. I have even asked elderly Filipinos who have been in America for a long time, and neither have they heard it such. So please, spare me the inappropriate analogy.
[[Your only one person. So much for a statistic. Mr. Statistic.]]
--People who are ignorant like you believe in lies. And alleviating ignorance is not insulting.What kind of evidence have you presented? Yankee evidence?
How do you know that what I believe in is a lie?
[[I know it is a lie because All your so called “sources” are from an American invention called “the internet”. Looks like you only choose to answer what you can answer.]]
And what evidence does your father have? I've been asking him for a long time, and he hasn't coughed up any.
[[The evidence is the existence of an ignorant entity like you defending “Pinoy”. And that other nations will certainly regard us as monkeys especially if you keep on supporting it. Did you ever hear of the “Small world” attraction in tokyo disneyland? In 1983 when it opened we were the only nation displayed with monkey dolls dancing the tinikling while other nations had human dolls to represent themselves. Look it up.]]
Gyzmo, I'm an open-minded person and I am also a skeptical one. It takes evidence to convince me –
[[I am providing you with evidence already. But you choose to believe your internet based sources. How can I actually believe you are open minded and objective? Even the way you openned up this comment of yours is full of subjectivity for me and my dad. Again, do you see my dad around? All I see is you pointing at me to be my dad.]]
….this is something I had to learn in my science classes and in life in general; to not blindly believe in authority and to question whatever they say.
[[Thanks. At least where getting somewhere since you see this as a classroom questioning what I say.]]
--There is no dispute. You are the only one disputing the insult with your still forgiveable denial. Forgiveable because it is out of ignorance.
Thanks, but I don't need forgiveness. There is no ignorance here, pal.
[[This time it’s pity already.]]
--And who now is the authority saying this? You?... We will have to talk about this with the department of education to put this in the new Filipino dictionary.
I am not the authority on this, I am simply unearthing long-forgotten evidence.
[[Again yankee evidence with you in your fil-am chair and your made in china (for the U.S.) monitor.]]
And if COMFIL has any academic integrity, they'd demand any evidence from your father.
[[Let’s see them do that. I’d love to see this. He'd probably enjoy it! Again, Where’s my dad in this blog?..duh..I think your lost sonny.]]
--And i thought we were to go on facts? Haha. Now we will have to find out if any at least resemble calling themselves monkeys...
The fact is that there are people who call themselves a nickname. As for the animals, I invite you to take a look at the El Salvadorans - they call themselves Guanacos which happens to be the name of an animal related to the llama and the alpaca. And I said that NEw Zealanders call themselves Kiwis. You do know what Kiwis are?
[[Yah, duh, I think it’s a fruit...einstein]]
UNGGOY" because i have friends in the states that say so aside from my dad and my mom's family living there.
What's their e-mail addresses? I want to know their evidence.
[[Again ‘the internet’.Here we go again. Anything written or posted in the net becomes evidence.How convenient… The evidence is people bro. Books and people. Just like the people you so avidly named. They have experiences. And I have books and people. And it’s me not my dad you so love to exemplify.]]
---The time frame was to denote how long it has been around without the majority knowing it asan insult.You did not give the source of 1926 my friend it was an anonymous writer back in Jan 26 that gave this americanized site for your ignorance's information:
http://web.sa.sc.edu/fasa/filam.htm
The source I gave was mentioned in my blog entry: http://salitablog.blogspot.com/2006/03/much-ado-about-pinoy.html
I am familiar with the source you give, that it had started in the 1920's. I confirmed it with articles I have from that time period. Now, I do not have articles confirming that Pinoy was used in such a way.
[[That’s because you need to learn to be ‘coherent’ and ‘aware’ if you love your country. You actually want evidence of a person, WASP or Fil-am, using ‘Pinoy’ in such a way that it will mean “Pilipinong Unggoy” on the internet? Who’s going to admit to that? The evidence is the treatment, the perceptions, and the fact that you cannot supply the exact meaning of the ‘Noy’ in ‘Pi-Noy’ and i did and i put it on the net thats why it's eating your heart out buddy! What else could it mean Mr. Evidence? "Apoy"?]]
To top it off All your sources are "Americanized" already.
Spare me the Americanized bullshit already. That is not enough to end an argument and neither does it confirm yours.
[[Oh it confirms mine. I’m Filipino. Living the Filipino way in the third world kind of way which you abandoned.]]
Answer me this - why do "Americanized" sources make reference to brown niggers and stuff but not Pinoy?
Mabini spitting on your american flag in 1898 and Fidel castro saying:
Hell, why don't you quote Mabini talking about the origin of Pinoy?
[[He wasn’t alive yet till the concoction came about sir. And why can’t you qoute Castro on this one?I Wonder.hehe]]
--Sorry again as you are now the deemed Pharisee. Not that he is my father but i cannot deny Senator Edgardo angara and Richard Gordon asking my father to speak on Philippine centennials in front of the Aguinaldo mansion in cavite?...
And you father won the Premio Zobel. So freakin' what? Your father may have admirable credentials, but again, what does this have to do with anything? If your father makes up a story are we expected to take it for gospel? Of course not.
[[Well you’re the one mentioning my dad here over and over again. You have a nut stuck up your but regarding him and that’s your problem.A lot of people mind him probably instead of you.I don't even get to see the guy!]]
If he says so it is so at this point bro. If Zaide told you lapu lapu was Filipino you'd believe it. I'm sorry for your ignorance once again? Hide with your american books further if you want..
I have since learned to question Zaide et. al.'s evidence. Hence, I do not believe the silly little myth that Filipinos come from the Malay Race or the 10 Borneo Datus or whatever. As far as I am concerned, it is not clear if it was Lapu-Lapu himself who killed Magellan.
[[Lapu Lapu really did not kill Magellan fyi. Pigafetta himself said so. I cited Zaide to cite ignorance coming from a well-known author just trying to get his books published like you trying to get heard in this blog.]]
--It has everything to do with it because if not you wouldnt be downplaying it already as you are fervently disputing it. Hello! Kain ka pa nang bigas bata.
Please don't be silly, you are pushing your father's credentials down my throat because you lack evidence.
[[Your the one in love with my dad dude so i gave you his credentials since you sighted him as a source of PI-NOY being Pilipinong Unggoy. I didn't even mention him in my primary article.I only lack the so called ‘evidence’ you are demanding your way unlike you who does not have any.]]
--Ho hum.. He doesn't need any. I believe him and so do my friends and your sitting in my blog.
Right. That's your prerogative.
[[Exactly. I wonder what’s yours.]]
--"Slurs?" Slurs are incognitive and audibly indigestible.Waht are you talking about? And your the authority i suppose? Look out world here I come!
And you are calling me ignorant? Look up the word "slur" in your dictionary.
[[Facts again I suppose. Have you ever heard of the term “Free thinking”?Or maybe your colonial mind ain't capable of doing so..Sorry.]]
--Cat Caught by it's tongue here!
How so? I was not hiding this fact.
[[The fact that you are americanized. Why can’t you mention it? Is it shamefull to be colonial? At the least, part of the American Way?]]
Gyzmo
At 10:59 AM, March 21, 2006, Christopher Sundita said...
It's objective is to produce "Pilipinong Unggoys"!
I think you are giving Americans too much credit. I don't think they have enough knowledge about Philippine culture to coin a word such as that.
[[Oh Really?! And who changed our national language to English then?]]
Resort to books.
The sources I gave you were from books published in the 1920's and 1930's. Also Carlos Bulosan's work was made in 1946.
[[Yes, but who put it on the net ? And where did they end up in the end?]]
Go back to "FILIPINO" The Filipino is made up of proper names like "Jose", "Apolinario", "Juan", not "joe", or "Pin-oy", or "Hoy".
Read what I wrote to Karl Betita - about Filipino nicknames. This is distinctly Filipino.
[[And now you want to call us nick names. How convenient are such justifications and minimizations.
Again ‘Pi-noy’ is not a nickname. It is an insult meaning “PILIPINONG UNGGOY”]]
And since you are so dazzled by authority, I refer to you an authority named Dr. Fernando Nakpil Zialcita. He is a well-respected professor of anthropology at Ateneo University - he is also a member of Hispanofilipino, so your father knows him. His family is Spanish-speaking. And he has confirmed that Pinoy is an affectionate term. Happy now?
[[Oh! and who so declares his authorities now? Like you said he ain’t the gospel either and no one is declaring anybody to be except you who venerates my dad so much. Ask Zialcita to adopt you so we will be even in your perceptions. Why are you so bothered by declarations? It is only so because you cannot deny the fact that what I have to say to you is true. That Pi-Noy means PILIPINONG UNGGOY. And you, being a supposed Filipino into it’s languages, are making a mockery of your interests by supporting ‘PI-NOY’ because the word itself does not exist in neither the Filipino or English Dictionary because it is taglish. By supporting “PI-NOY” you are also supporting “TAG-LISH” , which is not a language ,at the least a dialect, but a bastardization! To confound and confuse the Filipino of his IDENTITY as far back as the americanization of the Philippine educational system which you have not neither mentioned nor payed attention too because you know this is true.It is true that by changing the educational system into english and introducing your so called “affectionate term” of PINOY there exists now several generations of “COLONIALS” like you which are not acting like Filipinos but live and breath a colonial mentality so far buried into their subconsciousness that they dance and sing like Snoop Doggy Dog.Saying that PINOY is an affectionate term is a diplomatic and sublime way of defining an insult. Of course Zialcita will not declare it as PILIPINONG UNGGOY unless he would dare the already americanized system of education manipulated by colonial fools like you. And he did not dispute it either.
Sleep tight and don’t be a PILIPINONG UNGGOY.]]
Gyzmo
It's funny you mention Taglish. I guess this means, under your definition, you are a "Pilipinong Unggoy" too? I heard your PODCAST conversation where you were talking in Taglish.
Anyway, I am not a purista. Language is supposed to serve as a communication tool for people. If Taglish does that for them, then by all means. People should be able to speak however they want. Besides, over half a million speak a "Castilalog" or "Castisaya" aka Chabacano.
That brings me to my next point. Chabacano means "bad taste" in Spanish (there is proof - el diccionario de la lengua española) But yet, this has not stopped its speakers from calling their language such. The same thing with the Warays and their languages. It means "nothing." These people are secure in their identity that they are not going to let the old meanings stop them.
And this is where you and your father differ on. You two have insecurities about being called monkies and so you are all up in arms with anything that sounds like a monkey. I think this is the real issue here. I mean, even if it were true, it does not matter now, does it? The Chabacanos and the Warays showed us.
So not only are you guys insecure, but also love being victimized judging from your constant "American this, American that."
I see how it is. At this point, I can see there is no hope of having a rational debate with you. Have fun in your American English blog.
--Chris
PS: A kiwi's a bird
PPS: Pinóy and Pináy are in Dr. Rubino's Tagalog and Ilokano dictionaries both defined as Filipino male and female, respectively.
PPPS: I'd *love* to see a picture of what was in Disneyland. Or is this made up too?
Chris, the reason why all content in this blog is in English is because we want to reach a global audience. You know that it's the common language for all nations. Now, the podcast is meant only for Filipinos or anybody who can understand what we're talking about.
Andrei - No problem. I did not mean to offend you. I was pointing out that in spite of Gyzmo's bashing of Americans and Taglish, he continues to use the language of the Americans and Taglish.
--Chris
Dear Chris,
[[ Honestly, I will miss debating with you as you are the perfect specimen and proof of the "PINOY aka PILIPINONG UNGGOY" rationale.]]
....It's funny you mention Taglish. I guess this means, under your definition, you are a "Pilipinong Unggoy" too?
[[ I was and could never be a "PINOY/PILIPINONG UNGGOY" like you because i do not think like one for the reason that I am 'aware' of my "FILIPINO" Identity. I know where i stand in this world and what my heroes stood for whereas you do not.This separates me from the ignorance and obstinacy that has befallen upon you. Do not compare me with your "PINOY" idealogy just because i can speak and use "TAGLISH". I am perfectly capable of simultaneously communicating with guilt your taglish and thinking "FILIPINO" not "PINOY"! Whereas you live in america and advocate "TAGLISH" and the word "PINOY" as a language which cannot be. Do not change the subject.]]
I heard your PODCAST conversation where you were talking in Taglish.
[[So what? At least I know its a sin and I ask for forgiveness and struggle everyday not to use it given the american colonial circumstances i was born into and despite the whole nation using it.And i know it has got to stop. To cite my using "Taglish" is a 'cheapshot' from the cheapshot artist you are with no further debateable material at the offing.]]
Anyway, I am not a purista. Language is supposed to serve as a communication tool for people. If Taglish does that for them, then by all means. People should be able to speak however they want.
[[ Yes that is true but if it is a manifestation of a bastardization and does not contribute to the welfare, development, and identity of a people why should it be supported much less spoken?! Just because the runaway train had no brakes doesn't mean it shouldn't be stopped.You claim to be open minded but all we encounter here in your paradigm are dead ends stuck to the word "PI-NOY" meaning "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" which you can no longer establish the contrary. Why? Filipino in the form of tagalog can be easily spoken! Why should we go for taglish? And should we stop just because we make mistakes? Your point of discrediting a person is that of a 5 year old.]]
Besides, over half a million speak a "Castilalog" or "Castisaya" aka Chabacano.
[[ Oh! so now we change the topic!]]
That brings me to my next point. Chabacano means "bad taste" in Spanish (there is proof - el diccionario de la lengua española) But yet, this has not stopped its speakers from calling their language such. The same thing with the Warays and their languages. It means "nothing."
[[ How can you say that speaking 'TAGLISH' which is a bastardization of two languages manifested by the word "PINOY" which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" mean "NOTHING". To be called a monkey means "NOTHING" to you because your so used to it and its so buried into your subconscious that now you justify it as such--EXACTLY WHAT THE AMERICAN IMPOSITIONISTS OF ENGLISH want to happen!!
To confound a nation and a race into confusion and despair, which we have now,to take advantage of it and have it's own people (like you)turn against it. And this is the worse thing you can do to a race: divide it with a language that can't be spoken and destroy ultimately it's "IDENTITY". By using the word "PINOY" which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" and making it appear as "NOTHING" even 'cute' sometimes or 'affectionate' like you qoute zialcita saying it. You delude and pound into ignorance a race that should still be standing like Bonifacio who knew what he wanted!!
Why don't you now go and watch the idiotic Channel 2, ABS CBN channel, which broadcasts this show called WOWOWEE and see how ignorant the masses have become? Watch the gameshow host ask questions of "LAnguage INterpretation" between english and Filipino. And there entire gameshow revolves around such simple questions. Imagine one contestant was asked " How do you say "PAPEL" in english? And they lose the prize money of P 20,000 because they could not answer it!!The Filipino now cannot even interpret the word 'moustache' into tagalog and vice versa and the guy being asked of it was sporting one!! --AND YOU WILL CALL THIS TRAGEDY ""NOTHING""??!!@#$% SHAME ON YOU! You are a traitor of the first order if you support the word "PI-NOY" which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" a direct manifestation of the destruction "TAGLISH" has created.]]
These people are secure in their identity that they are not going to let the old meanings stop them.
[[ These people are secure in their identity because they made a 'choice' a long time ago. Now, I'll have to give you a history 101 class as always!:
The Filipinos of zamboanga and other significant parts in the visayas made a choice to learn spanish as the friars and spaniards that time did not in anyway 'IMPOSE' or much less even 'teach' the spanish language but instead learned and respected the native dialects. Even a certain american writer named James Hamilton on his articles of the "Kansulay" said this!!So how can you compare this with "TAGLISH" or the word "PI-NOY which means PILIPINONG UNGGOY" as it is an imperialistic "IMPOSITION" which you cannot dispute because you know again that what i say is the truth!]]
...And this is where you and your father differ on. You two have insecurities about being called monkies and so you are all up in arms with anything that sounds like a monkey.
[[ Of course! Anybody who is 'aware' and is called a monkey over and over again will be insecure for their countrymen especially if someone who already is called that even believes that it means "NOTHING" like you! This makes it even worse. Why will i allow to be called a monkey or a "PINOY which means PILIPINONG UNGGOY" when my heroes have stood up for the independence of Filipinas, Pilipinas, Philippines thinking and speaking superiorly over any "Colonial bastardization" which you so minimize, even justify at that ]]
....I think this is the real issue here.
[[ The real issue comes from you as you reacted negatively to the fact that "PINOY" means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY". And now all you can do is focus on my dad which you keep on mentioning and haven't answered yet the question why your so hung up with somebody that doesn't even write you in this blog or yours.
You are the one that is insecure. I don't go around somebody else's blog looking for and with their parents who don't even exist there. Seek therapy.]]
...I mean, even if it were true,
[[ Exactly your fear. Here you go again with your famous phrase: "Even if it were true..". Why? Scared that it will be true Chris?]]
...it does not matter now, does it?
[[ A likely minimization that is proof that "PINOY" means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" and your bothered so you have to minimize it. Just as what the impositionists wanted. Like an alien abduction with an implant gone unnoticed saying: "IT does not matter". What do you mean it does not matter??!! It probably doesn't matter to you that you are called a monkey through the word "PI-NOY" which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" but it would probably matter to other people! How selfish you can be?!The dellusion and denial stop here. There is always a choice between it being a 'matter' or not.AND BEING CALLED A MONKEY THROUGH THE WORD "PINOY" MATTERS. You should take self-confidence and self-esteem classes at the Betty Ford foundation.
The Chabacanos and the Warays showed us.
[[Yes they showed us that they have accomodated willingly another language into theirs to better understand and communicate with our spanish brothers. In fact, if i may say, they even have a superior I.Q. by doing so independently. They did not entertain a forcefull 'imposition' of english that has created a bastardized colonial manifestation called "TAGLISH" like you so gladly want to even become a language!]]
So not only are you guys insecure, but also love being victimized judging from your constant "American this, American that."
[[ The debate ended when you used "Americanized" colonial sources and now all you can do is WHINE. This has created an insecurity within you because you do not know where you stand in your fil-am computer chair which is made in china.Clueless you are with your identity moreso with your residency with WASPS. If you stop supporting "PINOY" which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY" you might be alleviated. Like i said earlier: Seek therapy. ]]
I see how it is. At this point, I can see there is no hope of having a rational debate with you.
[[..Oohh! gosh i think i'm gona cry..Of course the debate ended a long time ago. It's too bad though i lose my colonial "american this, american that" specimen.]]
..Have fun in your American English blog.
[[I WILL!! AND American English it is. The same language that was used to create "TAGLISH", impose colonialism, and spread the "PINOY", which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY", ideology to destroy a people i will now use to make my countrymen 'AWARE" and vigilant that they are called monkeys. How ironic isn't it? It will serve it's purpose for now.]]
--Guillermo O. Gomez--A FILIPINO not a "PI-NOY" which means "PILIPINONG UNGGOY"
Chris again reiterates....:
PS: A kiwi's a bird
[[Yeah! and i wouldn't want to be called a bird either]]
gyzmo
PPS: Pinóy and Pináy are in Dr. Rubino's Tagalog and Ilokano dictionaries both defined as Filipino male and female, respectively.
[[That's just Dr. Rubino--a colonial, and americanized "PINOY" all over again.]]
PPPS: I'd *love* to see a picture of what was in Disneyland. Or is this made up too?
[[ In April 18, 1983 Tokyo Disneyland opened. In june of the same year a certain Mr. Fred Elizalde brought his child to see Tokyo disneyland and was agast at the sight of two monkeys dancing tinikling in the "SMALL WORLD" attraction. This led him to write in his capacity as the President of Manila Broadcasting corporation to write to the japanese embassy demanding an explanation for such an insulting display. The Philippine government under Prime minister Virata wrote a discreet letter asking it to be removed. And it was. Want this to be on the internet well here it is. Your stories are the ones that are made up with americanized books and authors in the internet. Like i said I have people and books. You have a late and biased electronic convenience.
Gyzmo again.
gyzmo:
interesting theory.
would you mind reiterating your evidence for "Pinoy" coming from "Pilipinong Unggoy" again?
and where can one get a documentation of these two American employers you quoted?
thanks.
To Mr. anonymous,
The documentation you get is here. It was told to me by a fil-am living in San Franciso named Mr. Rivero. He used to work in UPS and then he put up his own parcel delivery service and did well. I'm sorry there is no recording of it as Mr. Sundita had insisted on one since I was not in San Francisco in the 70's.
And by the way. It ain't a theory, It's the TRUTH.
lahat kayo ayaw yung matawag na pinoy at sabi nyo pilipino kayo bakit hindi kayo mag tagalog puro kayo english cguro nakalimutan nyo salitang tagalog at ngayon pinagmamalaki nyo pa na pilipino kayo hindi pinoy.
totoong pilipino
-mikaye
eh yung "tisoy" saan naman kaya nagsimula yon? mestiso at Unggoy ?nagtatanong lang naman po.
isa pa. bakit ka nag-tataglish sa audio kung ibinabasura mo ang "taglish".
Malabo yung theory ng "Pilipinong-ungguy". Patunay nito ay ang napakalabong ebidensiya na ibinibinay.
Kung sa korte pag-uusapan, hindi ito papasa dahil "hearsay" lang ito. Ang matindi pa, may nasususulat pa na mas unang ebidensya laban dito gaya ng naturan ni chris s.
Ewan ko pero tingin ko, yung nagkakalat ng ediyang ito ay gusto lamang sumikat at makilala.
Kaya para sa sa akin, "Stop pulling our legs. Just tell it to the marines."
those are just names. it really wouldn't hurt if we use "pinoy" or whatever lingos poeple invent just to establish a norm. what is really essence of being a Filipino? we belong to a race that's what's important. any f#cking jerk would say anything dire about us, but nevertheless we are all the same. whether gyzmo is wrong or right about what he maintains, we are all entitled to what should we believe.
For you to tell me to tell it to the marines is irony of the first order as I am indeed telling it apparently people who think like the U.S. Marines that arrived here of which one of them may be the coward in you to post it anonymously. and who are you to discard the evidence that i have presented which even your stalwart Chris s. could not refute?I have presented poems. I have presented a song. I have presented letters and my testimony, not to get famous because if i would have wanted too you wouldn't even see me blogging with you. It is up to your 'marine' thinking if it can actually accept that the word "Pinoy' is detrimental to the identity of the word "Filipino" and all that it stands for. It is an insult that is continued to be used subconsciously,unconsciously, or consciously by the 'marine' brain you posses which supports the passiveness that has supported the obliteration of our culture through a taglish subculture. and I have enough courage to admit that it is my mistake to have spoken taglish in order to connect with a friend. I wil not justify my use of it. It is a sin and i'm guilty of it but i struggle everyday to get rid of it.Do you?
And yes.. It is possible the word tisoy also means "Mestizong Unggoy" because a mestizo being a creole is a marriage between two races one of which, in this case, being that of the brown Filipino race which is constantly, subconsciously or consciously, always subjected to ridicule and slights.
I applaud your attempt to educate the masses on the etymology of the word "pinoy", but the fact remains that ignoramuses embrace derogatory names because they're too incompetent to see beyond the tiny little illusion of a world their narrow minds create. Pinoy is in fact a derogatory word, in fact my siblings and I call out in chorus "Pinoy!" everytime we observe behaviour typical of monkeys. An educated and upright Filipino will never declare his national identity as "Pinoy". Whilst travelling overseas I have been approached by a number of Pinoys and Filipinos who noticed I carry a Philippines passport and they would strike up a casual conversation. The obviously uncultured Pinoys would almost always start a conversation with "Pinoy ka ba? P**ang ina pare kumusta ang 'pinas?". The well-cultured Filipinos would typically start with "Are you Filipino? Taga saan ka? etc." Dont get me wrong, I dont hate Filipinos (entirely) because I have friends in the Philippines who are just about the nicest, straightforward and sincere people I have ever met. But that typically applies to only about 30% of the population. Good people are a minority in the Philippines, which is why it ranks among the poorest and most corrupt countries in Asia.
bat ganun? xa xa cge alis na nga ako..babush!
Pinoy term for me is deregatory and attempt to put a hype on it. Most Filipinos like the easy way out and they ignore what is important. Remember QC, EDSA etc. No wonder even our national language nowadays was not that value so much by the present administration. A nation with no identity is as good as dead. "Laging hiram na lang." "La ng kahulugan ginawang hype." Malakas pa rin ang "colonial mentality". Weak.
Pakibago nalang sinabi at pinaglaban ng ating mga bayani lalo na si Ninoy "The PINOYS are worth dying for" para hype or trendy! I'm pinoy because that 's what my Uncle Sam called me. I'll jump to a cliff because Uncle Sam says so. Ok lang yung pag slang pero to formalize it and used it in commercials. Pinoy is not "original" gaya gaya. Pinoy athelete..pinoy pride...pinoy best..bayaning pinoy ... ewan
I have never been a fan of the word "Pinoy" - gyzmo, I've already heard this version and I would not be suprised if yours turns out to be the right one (considering that your source is your Dad) over what my Filipino professor told us way back - that the suffix 'Y' is added to make it sound diminutive (cute?), like Nono, toto etc etc when you want to make it sound small you then add a Y. I see no reason WHY we should be calling ourselves pinoy, FILIPINO is better.
lenchak! peste PINOY lang pinag-aawayan pa! mga puta!
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